From calliope at geeksnet.com Fri Nov 2 13:32:44 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:32:44 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: feeding bell peppers Message-ID: <472B5F3C.3030402@geeksnet.com> I have a question about feeding bell peppers. I stopped feeding the green ones after discovering Sunshine's bladder stones; however, I thought that the red ones were supposed to be OK. A friend of mine, though, said that bell peppers are a solanaceous herb and can contribute to stone formation. It seems, then, that there is no difference between the red and green? Help! TIA, Cindy From calliope at geeksnet.com Sat Nov 3 10:08:38 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:08:38 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: Actigall; lemon juice in water Message-ID: <472C80E6.7020505@geeksnet.com> I remember that a few years ago on the GPDD someone mentioned using Actigall to break up stones. If I recall correctly, it was an experimental therapy. Does anyone have any more information? Has anyone here tried it? Also, was there an answer to Muriel's question about adding lemon juice to water to help prevent sludge? TIA, Cindy From calliope at geeksnet.com Sun Nov 4 19:15:10 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:15:10 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: bottled water Message-ID: <472E608E.7090602@geeksnet.com> When choosing a bottled water for stones piggies, what do I look for? Am I trying to find water with a low mineral content? I realize I don't want water with any added calcium. TIA, Cindy From calliope at geeksnet.com Mon Nov 5 11:59:02 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: Metacam dosage Message-ID: <472F4BD6.7040202@geeksnet.com> My regular vet wasn't in when I picked up the Metacam for Sunshine the other day. I've seen people talk about giving various dosages of it. Is there a certain amount per piggie pound? TIA, Cindy From calliope at geeksnet.com Mon Nov 5 12:21:23 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:21:23 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: Metacam dosage Message-ID: <472F5113.9090206@geeksnet.com> Sorry to comment on my own posting. According to Guinealynx, we're giving the right dose. However, I'd like to hear everyone's experience with Metacam and the doses they have given. Thanks again, Cindy From calliope at geeksnet.com Mon Nov 5 12:23:00 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:23:00 -0500 Subject: [Stones] MISC.: missing stones digest Message-ID: <472F5174.6030903@geeksnet.com> I didn't receive a stones digest yesterday. Would someone please forward it to me? Thanks. Cindy From texg at cavyinfo.com Mon Nov 5 16:12:05 2007 From: texg at cavyinfo.com (texg at cavyinfo.com) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:12:05 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: Metacam dosage In-Reply-To: <472F5113.9090206@geeksnet.com> References: <472F5113.9090206@geeksnet.com> Message-ID: <20071105161205.ui5xvr6c8c484800@www.cavyinfo.com> Dosage depends on the drug concentration. Snuffles was prescribed 1.5 mg/ml, with a dose of 0.15 ml. The vet told me to adjust up or down depending on a piggie's reaction: Sweetie Pig would space out on that dose, PigWheet and Snuffles did fine. When Sweetie Pig got metacam, she got a *very* small dose; about 1/2 what everyone else has gotten. Tex Quoting Cindy : > Sorry to comment on my own posting. According to Guinealynx, we're > giving the right dose. However, I'd like to hear everyone's experience > with Metacam and the doses they have given. > > Thanks again, > > Cindy > > > _______________________________________________ > Stones mailing list > Stones at gpigs-database.org > http://gpigs-database.org/mailman/listinfo/stones_gpigs-database.org > From calliope at geeksnet.com Mon Nov 5 16:41:16 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:41:16 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: Metacam dosage In-Reply-To: <20071105161205.ui5xvr6c8c484800@www.cavyinfo.com> References: <472F5113.9090206@geeksnet.com> <20071105161205.ui5xvr6c8c484800@www.cavyinfo.com> Message-ID: <472F8DFC.5060206@geeksnet.com> Thanks, Tex -- this helps! I am going to give Sunshine a little bit less, as I just weighed him and he is no longer a 3-pound-plus piggie anymore. Here's hoping we can get his weight back up. Cindy > Dosage depends on the drug concentration. Snuffles was prescribed 1.5 > mg/ml, with a dose of 0.15 ml. The vet told me to adjust up or down > depending on a piggie's reaction: Sweetie Pig would space out on that > dose, PigWheet and Snuffles did fine. When Sweetie Pig got metacam, > she got a *very* small dose; about 1/2 what everyone else has gotten. > > Tex > > From gegoderod at yahoo.de Mon Nov 5 18:01:04 2007 From: gegoderod at yahoo.de (Elizabeth Williams) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:01:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Stones] CARE: bottled water Message-ID: <9868.71841.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My vet recommended distilled water. My girls have been on it for well over a year now. I sent out a post to make sure it was OK. Didn't hear any objections, so if the vet thinks it's safe and people on the stones list think it's safe, it's probably all right to go with distilled water. My girls haven't had any ill effects from it. -Liz __________________________________ Ihr erstes Fernweh? Wo gibt es den sch?nsten Strand? www.yahoo.de/clever From BunsnPigs at aol.com Mon Nov 5 20:57:13 2007 From: BunsnPigs at aol.com (BunsnPigs at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:57:13 EST Subject: [Stones] CARE: Metacam dosage Message-ID: In a message dated 11/5/2007 4:13:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, texg at cavyinfo.com writes: Dosage depends on the drug concentration. Snuffles was prescribed 1.5 mg/ml, with a dose of 0.15 ml. The vet told me to adjust up or down depending on a piggie's reaction: Sweetie Pig would space out on that dose, PigWheet and Snuffles did fine. When Sweetie Pig got metacam, she got a *very* small dose; about 1/2 what everyone else has gotten. Tex Ditto to what Tex said. I regularly use the .1ml dose unless the pain is more pronounced. You have to watch your piggy. I rarely went over the .15ml dose. Some people on GuineaLynx say they dose twice a day per their veterinarian's advice. My vet told me not to do that because of the long half-life of the drug and you can end up overdosing them. I only dose once per day. Judi L. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gpigs-database.org/pipermail/stones_gpigs-database.org/attachments/20071105/6d12f1d2/attachment.html From calliope at geeksnet.com Tue Nov 6 11:48:33 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:48:33 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: Metacam dosage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47309AE1.1050606@geeksnet.com> Thank you, Judi, for the helpful info. Sunshine is needing less and less of the Metacam, I'm happy to say. I hope that very soon, he will not need any at all. Very interesting to learn about the long half-life of the drug. Cindy > Ditto to what Tex said. I regularly use the .1ml dose unless the > pain is more pronounced. You have to watch your piggy. I rarely went > over the .15ml dose. Some people on GuineaLynx say they dose twice a > day per their veterinarian's advice. My vet told me not to do that > because of the long half-life of the drug and you can end up > overdosing them. I only dose once per day. > > Judi L. > From ABSiev at aol.com Fri Nov 9 21:23:31 2007 From: ABSiev at aol.com (ABSiev at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:23:31 EST Subject: [Stones] CARE: distilled water Message-ID: I believe there are some potential problems with distilled drinking water. I think it's probably better to use bottled water that is not high in minerals, or else filtered water IF your tap water that you are filtering does not have fluoride (which is not removed by commercial water filters). ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gpigs-database.org/pipermail/stones_gpigs-database.org/attachments/20071109/257b0355/attachment.html From calliope at geeksnet.com Mon Nov 12 20:26:55 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:26:55 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: polycitra syrup Message-ID: <4738FD5F.8070308@geeksnet.com> Does anyone put polycitra syrup in their piggies' water? Poor Sunshine is so tired at the moment of having things syringed to him. I know that putting medicine in water is a little iffy, since you don't know how much the piggie is getting, but does anyone have any thoughts about this? I was thinking that maybe if I put it in the water, everypig would get it as a preventative and Sunshine would get a break from the syringe. TIA. Cindy From texg at cavyinfo.com Mon Nov 12 23:37:11 2007 From: texg at cavyinfo.com (texg at cavyinfo.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:37:11 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: polycitra syrup In-Reply-To: <4738FD5F.8070308@geeksnet.com> References: <4738FD5F.8070308@geeksnet.com> Message-ID: <20071112233711.r13tw9ftes8s8gg0@www.cavyinfo.com> I would think you need a certain "loading dose" for the syrup to work. I would think that by the time you put enough polycitra into the water that it would be effective, it would flavor the water to teh extent they wouldn't want to drink it. What dose is Sunshine on? I think the "average" is about 1cc. Maybe you could add it to something else he gets? Tex Quoting Cindy : > Does anyone put polycitra syrup in their piggies' water? Poor Sunshine > is so tired at the moment of having things syringed to him. I know that > putting medicine in water is a little iffy, since you don't know how > much the piggie is getting, but does anyone have any thoughts about > this? I was thinking that maybe if I put it in the water, everypig > would get it as a preventative and Sunshine would get a break from the > syringe. > > TIA. > > Cindy > > _______________________________________________ > Stones mailing list > Stones at gpigs-database.org > http://gpigs-database.org/mailman/listinfo/stones_gpigs-database.org > From calliope at geeksnet.com Tue Nov 13 20:27:05 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:27:05 -0500 Subject: [Stones] CARE: polycitra syrup In-Reply-To: <20071112233711.r13tw9ftes8s8gg0@www.cavyinfo.com> References: <4738FD5F.8070308@geeksnet.com> <20071112233711.r13tw9ftes8s8gg0@www.cavyinfo.com> Message-ID: <473A4EE9.9080502@geeksnet.com> Tex, thanks so much for the info about the polycitra. Sunshine is getting about 0.2 ml per day by syringe. We add water to it so that it isn't "straight" polycitra. The poor little guy is just so tired of being syringed things, though. I wish I could put it on something, but I am worried it would basically slide off. Maybe it is thicker than that, though? Cindy From calliope at geeksnet.com Wed Nov 14 12:18:48 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:18:48 -0500 Subject: [Stones] piggy polycitra k In-Reply-To: <391254.52513.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <391254.52513.qm@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <473B2DF8.6010207@geeksnet.com> Marti, I got a couple of bounces when I tried to send this directly to you, so I am posting it here. Thanks again. Thanks for the suggestions, Marti. Sunshine likes banana, so I'll try that. I had to get a prescription for the polycitra and pick it up at the pharmacy. Cindy From gegoderod at yahoo.de Sun Nov 18 13:45:02 2007 From: gegoderod at yahoo.de (Elizabeth Williams) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:45:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Stones] HEALTH: Buckley update: new diet Message-ID: <676336.24733.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Buckley had been having trouble with a bladder stone. I switched from pellet food (and unlimited Timothy hay and some veggies) to just unlimited timothy hay and low calcium low oxylate veggies. I switched her diet almost a month ago. Since then she hasn't had any pain... After consulting the food list on the website here's what I'm feeding: unlimited timothy hay brussel sprouts red cabbage broccoli (small amounts) red bell pepper occasionally corn, radish, apple, oats (non-enriched), cereal (with appropriately low calcium content) 2 questions for you more experienced pig owners: Is this a good diet? Should I change something about this diet to make sure she gets proper nutrition? Should I still consider surgery to have the bladder stone removed even though it's not causing her pain? The stone was about the size of a plastic pin head. Thanks for your advice! -Elizabeth __________________________________ Ihr erstes Fernweh? Wo gibt es den sch?nsten Strand? www.yahoo.de/clever From calliope at geeksnet.com Wed Nov 21 12:03:55 2007 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:03:55 -0500 Subject: [Stones] HEALTH: Buckley update: new diet ( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474464FB.6030408@geeksnet.com> Elizabeth, it is so great to hear that Buckley has been feeling much better since you changed her diet. We are new here (our Sunshine had stone surgery last month), so we can't offer much advice. We'd love to hear what others have to say about your diet for Buckley, though, as we are still working on fine-tuning Sunshine's diet. Best wishes and healing wheeks to Buckley! Cindy, Sunshine, Tumbleweed, and Friday Elizabeth wrote: > > Buckley had been having trouble with a bladder stone. I switched from pellet food (and unlimited Timothy hay and some veggies) to just unlimited timothy hay and low calcium low oxylate veggies. I switched her diet almost a month ago. Since then she hasn't had any pain... After consulting the food list on the website here's what I'm feeding: > unlimited timothy hay > brussel sprouts > red cabbage > broccoli (small amounts) > red bell pepper > occasionally corn, radish, apple, oats (non-enriched), cereal (with appropriately low calcium content) > > 2 questions for you more experienced pig owners: > Is this a good diet? Should I change something about this diet to make sure she gets proper nutrition? > > Should I still consider surgery to have the bladder stone removed even though it's not causing her pain? The stone was about the size of a plastic pin head. > > Thanks for your advice! > -Elizabeth > > >