From lconsuela at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 16 13:39:05 2007
From: lconsuela at yahoo.com (Leah McNeil)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:39:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Stones] Announce: Brownie Bear & Butterscotch's VALENTINE's DAY
	Website!!!
Message-ID: <20070216183905.92556.qmail@web53105.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Slaves,
Well, the piggies don't usually
do a Valentine's Day website, but
since Brownie Bear hasn't been
feeling her Best, I decided that
I would do a website for every
Holiday, until she decides that
she's had enough. Maybe that will
convince her to fight the Good
Fight and keep on keeping on!

We had a Super Fun piggie photo
shoot on V-Day and both pigs were
on their best behavior. And for
last minute, I think the pigs did
a decent job...Wheeek!

Check it out at:

http://home.carolina.rr.com/bhodges/ValentinesDay2007.html

HAPPY VALENTINE's DAY!!!

   Love 'n Wheeeeeeeeeps,
Leah...Slave to Brownie Bear
   & Butterscotch :-)


 
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From admin at guineapigs.org  Sun Feb 18 21:57:51 2007
From: admin at guineapigs.org (admin at guineapigs.org)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:57:51 -0500
Subject: [Stones] Fwd: Re: Bladderstone op successful? Seeing vet today-
	need advice	please re: next step
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     Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:42:30 +0000 (GMT)
     From: Suzanne Caine <suziec222 at yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: Suzanne Caine <suziec222 at yahoo.co.uk>
  Subject: Re: Bladderstone op successful? Seeing vet today- need  
advice please re: next step
       To: stones-owner at gpigs-database.org

Hi,
   I would like to join this group -please can forward my message to  
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   Thanks,
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:32:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Suzanne Caine <suziec222 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Bladderstone op successful? Seeing vet today- need advice please re:
next step
To: Stones at gpigs-database.org

   Hi,

   I am seeing the vet at 10am today (currently 1am) and I am hoping  
that someone is online and will be able to help. I have printed off  
some articles to read, but there is so much information.

   Doris is a five-year female guinea, who has suffered from cystitis  
on and off, and bladder sludge (I didn?t realise that bladder sludge  
could lead to bladder stones, but do now).

   I came back from holiday to discover that she was in a bad way,  
barely able to urinate. The vet kept her in the next day and operated,  
removing a substantial bladderstone on Thurs 8 Feb. She was and still  
is on 0.5ml of Baytril twice a day.  Things were going ok until Mon 12  
when some stitches gave way and her intestines bulged out inside her.  
She was operated on again and given tape/stitches used in dogs, so it  
wouldn?t give way. She was given a drug to stimulate her guts and  
again the following day Tues 13 and Thurs 15. I have also started  
giving her two drops of Metacam for pain relief since Thurs 15.

   After the first op, she was urinating freely albeit with a lot of  
blood and some clotting. I was told that this would go after a while,  
and it is getting there over the last couple of days.

   My main concern is that she was eating, showing an interest in food  
and starting to move around her home after the first op. However she  
is not doing this at all after the second op. I am still syringe  
feeding her every few hours (2nd op on 12th, now 18th).  Although she  
will eat some dried hay/veg whilst syringing, she is not moving out  
from her igloo at all, or eating/drinking by herself. The urine output  
has decreased and feeling grainy (the vet said that the bladder had a  
lot of sludge that they flushed out ? so I am baffled why it is like  
this). She is in pain, arching her back up on all fours, with her ears  
pulled right back when urinating and when pooing ? which only goes  
half way out (not sure if this is normal, and gradually drops?). The  
poo itself has become stringed with mucus today. Not normal size etc  
but I was expecting this from the syringe feeding. She is depressed  
and obviously not feeling good at all.

   Questions  The vet has not analysed the urine, blood or the  
bladderstone- should I request this?
   (I have the stone in a plastic test tube? will it still be fresh  
enough to be analysed?)

   Things are not getting better as time goes on, which is worrying  
me. Am I expecting too much too soon? How long does it normally take  
to recover?

   How can Doris have sludge, reduced urine flow if the bladderstone  
was removed and bladder flushed?

   Should I ask for Bactrim (Septrin) instead of Baytril?

   Should I ask for polycitra?(does this break up sludge?)

   I will look up low calcium food, but if anyone can direct me to a  
list, or give some definite veggies to avoid that would be really  
helpful.

   Any other advice or questions that I should ask the vet would be  
much appreciated.

Thanks,Suzanne
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  I would like to join this group -please can forward my message to the group and advise how I can join.
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:32:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Suzanne Caine <suziec222 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Bladderstone op successful? Seeing vet today- need advice please re:
next step
To: Stones at gpigs-database.org

  Hi,
   
  I am seeing the vet at 10am today (currently 1am) and I am hoping that someone is online and will be able to help. I have printed off some articles to read, but there is so much information.
   
  Doris is a five-year female guinea, who has suffered from cystitis on and off, and bladder sludge (I didn?t realise that bladder sludge could lead to bladder stones, but do now).
   
  I came back from holiday to discover that she was in a bad way, barely able to urinate. The vet kept her in the next day and operated, removing a substantial bladderstone on Thurs 8 Feb. She was and still is on 0.5ml of Baytril twice a day.  Things were going ok until Mon 12 when some stitches gave way and her intestines bulged out inside her. She was operated on again and given tape/stitches used in dogs, so it wouldn?t give way. She was given a drug to stimulate her guts and again the following day Tues 13 and Thurs 15. I have also started giving her two drops of Metacam for pain relief since Thurs 15.
   
  After the first op, she was urinating freely albeit with a lot of blood and some clotting. I was told that this would go after a while, and it is getting there over the last couple of days.
   
  My main concern is that she was eating, showing an interest in food and starting to move around her home after the first op. However she is not doing this at all after the second op. I am still syringe feeding her every few hours (2nd op on 12th, now 18th).  Although she will eat some dried hay/veg whilst syringing, she is not moving out from her igloo at all, or eating/drinking by herself. The urine output has decreased and feeling grainy (the vet said that the bladder had a lot of sludge that they flushed out ? so I am baffled why it is like this). She is in pain, arching her back up on all fours, with her ears pulled right back when urinating and when pooing ? which only goes half way out (not sure if this is normal, and gradually drops?). The poo itself has become stringed with mucus today. Not normal size etc but I was expecting this from the syringe feeding. She is depressed and obviously not feeling good at all.
   
  Questions  The vet has not analysed the urine, blood or the bladderstone- should I request this?
  (I have the stone in a plastic test tube? will it still be fresh enough to be analysed?)
   
  Things are not getting better as time goes on, which is worrying me. Am I expecting too much too soon? How long does it normally take to recover?
   
  How can Doris have sludge, reduced urine flow if the bladderstone was removed and bladder flushed?
   
  Should I ask for Bactrim (Septrin) instead of Baytril?
   
  Should I ask for polycitra?(does this break up sludge?)
   
  I will look up low calcium food, but if anyone can direct me to a list, or give some definite veggies to avoid that would be really helpful.
   
  Any other advice or questions that I should ask the vet would be much appreciated.
   
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From ebak at ca.inter.net  Mon Feb 19 22:06:10 2007
From: ebak at ca.inter.net (Evelyn Baker)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:06:10 -0500
Subject: [Stones] Stones Digest, Vol 34, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1171904406.20769.stones_gpigs-database.org@gpigs-database.org>
References: <mailman.1.1171904406.20769.stones_gpigs-database.org@gpigs-database.org>
Message-ID: <8D14B0C8-1729-4807-8546-B365156B020A@ca.inter.net>

Perhaps this should be forwarded to the gpdd.org as well.  Doris  
should not be in so much pain after her operation. There is something  
wrong.  I wish I could help you more. I do hope there is someone else  
on the list who can help. I do wish you luck.

Evelyn

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>   Subject: Re: Bladderstone op successful? Seeing vet today- need
> advice please re: next step
>        To: stones-owner at gpigs-database.org
>
> Hi,
>    I would like to join this group -please can forward my message to
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>    Thanks,
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> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:32:47 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Suzanne Caine <suziec222 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Bladderstone op successful? Seeing vet today- need advice  
> please re:
> next step
> To: Stones at gpigs-database.org
>
>    Hi,
>
>    I am seeing the vet at 10am today (currently 1am) and I am hoping
> that someone is online and will be able to help. I have printed off
> some articles to read, but there is so much information.
>
>    Doris is a five-year female guinea, who has suffered from cystitis
> on and off, and bladder sludge (I didn?t realise that bladder sludge
> could lead to bladder stones, but do now).
>
>    I came back from holiday to discover that she was in a bad way,
> barely able to urinate. The vet kept her in the next day and operated,
> removing a substantial bladderstone on Thurs 8 Feb. She was and still
> is on 0.5ml of Baytril twice a day.  Things were going ok until Mon 12
> when some stitches gave way and her intestines bulged out inside her.
> She was operated on again and given tape/stitches used in dogs, so it
> wouldn?t give way. She was given a drug to stimulate her guts and
> again the following day Tues 13 and Thurs 15. I have also started
> giving her two drops of Metacam for pain relief since Thurs 15.
>
>    After the first op, she was urinating freely albeit with a lot of
> blood and some clotting. I was told that this would go after a while,
> and it is getting there over the last couple of days.
>
>    My main concern is that she was eating, showing an interest in food
> and starting to move around her home after the first op. However she
> is not doing this at all after the second op. I am still syringe
> feeding her every few hours (2nd op on 12th, now 18th).  Although she
> will eat some dried hay/veg whilst syringing, she is not moving out
> from her igloo at all, or eating/drinking by herself. The urine output
> has decreased and feeling grainy (the vet said that the bladder had a
> lot of sludge that they flushed out ? so I am baffled why it is like
> this). She is in pain, arching her back up on all fours, with her ears
> pulled right back when urinating and when pooing ? which only goes
> half way out (not sure if this is normal, and gradually drops?). The
> poo itself has become stringed with mucus today. Not normal size etc
> but I was expecting this from the syringe feeding. She is depressed
> and obviously not feeling good at all.
>
>    Questions  The vet has not analysed the urine, blood or the
> bladderstone- should I request this?
>    (I have the stone in a plastic test tube? will it still be fresh
> enough to be analysed?)
>
>    Things are not getting better as time goes on, which is worrying
> me. Am I expecting too much too soon? How long does it normally take
> to recover?
>
>    How can Doris have sludge, reduced urine flow if the bladderstone
> was removed and bladder flushed?
>
>    Should I ask for Bactrim (Septrin) instead of Baytril?
>
>    Should I ask for polycitra?(does this break up sludge?)
>
>    I will look up low calcium food, but if anyone can direct me to a
> list, or give some definite veggies to avoid that would be really
> helpful.
>
>    Any other advice or questions that I should ask the vet would be
> much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,Suzanne
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> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:32:47 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Suzanne Caine <suziec222 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Bladderstone op successful? Seeing vet today- need advice  
> please re:
> next step
> To: Stones at gpigs-database.org
>
>   Hi,
>
>   I am seeing the vet at 10am today (currently 1am) and I am hoping  
> that someone is online and will be able to help. I have printed off  
> some articles to read, but there is so much information.
>
>   Doris is a five-year female guinea, who has suffered from  
> cystitis on and off, and bladder sludge (I didn?t realise that  
> bladder sludge could lead to bladder stones, but do now).
>
>   I came back from holiday to discover that she was in a bad way,  
> barely able to urinate. The vet kept her in the next day and  
> operated, removing a substantial bladderstone on Thurs 8 Feb. She  
> was and still is on 0.5ml of Baytril twice a day.  Things were  
> going ok until Mon 12 when some stitches gave way and her  
> intestines bulged out inside her. She was operated on again and  
> given tape/stitches used in dogs, so it wouldn?t give way. She was  
> given a drug to stimulate her guts and again the following day Tues  
> 13 and Thurs 15. I have also started giving her two drops of  
> Metacam for pain relief since Thurs 15.
>
>   After the first op, she was urinating freely albeit with a lot of  
> blood and some clotting. I was told that this would go after a  
> while, and it is getting there over the last couple of days.
>
>   My main concern is that she was eating, showing an interest in  
> food and starting to move around her home after the first op.  
> However she is not doing this at all after the second op. I am  
> still syringe feeding her every few hours (2nd op on 12th, now  
> 18th).  Although she will eat some dried hay/veg whilst syringing,  
> she is not moving out from her igloo at all, or eating/drinking by  
> herself. The urine output has decreased and feeling grainy (the vet  
> said that the bladder had a lot of sludge that they flushed out ?  
> so I am baffled why it is like this). She is in pain, arching her  
> back up on all fours, with her ears pulled right back when  
> urinating and when pooing ? which only goes half way out (not sure  
> if this is normal, and gradually drops?). The poo itself has become  
> stringed with mucus today. Not normal size etc but I was expecting  
> this from the syringe feeding. She is depressed and obviously not  
> feeling good at all.
>
>   Questions  The vet has not analysed the urine, blood or the  
> bladderstone- should I request this?
>   (I have the stone in a plastic test tube? will it still be fresh  
> enough to be analysed?)
>
>   Things are not getting better as time goes on, which is worrying  
> me. Am I expecting too much too soon? How long does it normally  
> take to recover?
>
>   How can Doris have sludge, reduced urine flow if the bladderstone  
> was removed and bladder flushed?
>
>   Should I ask for Bactrim (Septrin) instead of Baytril?
>
>   Should I ask for polycitra?(does this break up sludge?)
>
>   I will look up low calcium food, but if anyone can direct me to a  
> list, or give some definite veggies to avoid that would be really  
> helpful.
>
>   Any other advice or questions that I should ask the vet would be  
> much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,Suzanne
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From suziec222 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Feb 25 16:22:40 2007
From: suziec222 at yahoo.co.uk (Suzanne Caine)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:22:40 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Stones] Doris update - still need advice
Message-ID: <20927.19859.qm@web25108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi,

Thanks to everyone who responded - much appreciated! Sorry that I have not replied to individuals , but computer in safe mode hence delay in responding, plus it has been hectic.

Two and half weeks since first op (Thurs 8 Feb - bladderstone) now, second op was Mon 12 Feb.

Doris has has an injection of Cartrophen for her arthritis - was monthly, but this was the first 6 week one(and apparently this stimulates the bladder as well).  Doris did perk up when she was put back on hay. I had been putting her primarily on towels to watch her output, with access to hay etc, but not lying directly on it. She perked up and I thought that things were going better, but she has gone back down again. Had virtually stopped the syringe feeding but back on it - she is not eating and drinking by herself at all.
Past few days have been quite good and averaging 40-60ml syringe feed of Supa Guinea Excel, and 40ml fluid. 4-5 feeds inn day and 1-2 during the night, so constant movement in intestines (i hope).

Wonder if this is due to a change of meds:

Now:

Septrin 0.5ml 2 x a day
Prepulsid 0.2ml 2 x a day
Rimadyl 4-5mg 1 x a day (This is apparently the upper limit - how many days is ok?)
Potassium Citrate (made up from cystitis sachet) 10 mg 2 x a day

Also fluids about half Bio Lapis and half water

Have got vit c powder today to try - thinking 25mg - ok dose?

Also bought 100% pure cranberry concentrate from Holland & Barrett, but unsure how to diulte, Pro-C Probiotic (pro & pre-biotic and vit c) and water soluble multi vits for guineas - will use these to cut down on vet charges for bio lapis.

Vet suggested 2 drops of Ribena in a cup of water - ok?
Worried when looking at the labels of products at the other ingredients.

There is still blood in her urine with clots and she is arching up and making a noise when urinating. Vet said that this is to be expected for a while. Poo is almost getting there - was orginally very dry and small, think increased fluids has helped.


 Very peaky today - not really moving much, and urine flow is drops.


Is all of this normal, esp the blood? Is it at all possible that she has got a kidney stone? How is this dealt with? Is recovery this long ?- would help me stop worrying as I think that I am going to lose her.


Not wanting to eat fresh veg, hay etc but have got low calcium lists. 


Long term is there any additions to her diet that will help?


Please let me know your suggestions based on your experience. All much appreciated.   
Many thanks,
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From suziec222 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 27 06:32:14 2007
From: suziec222 at yahoo.co.uk (Suzanne Caine)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:32:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Stones] Doris - update
Message-ID: <833277.96879.qm@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi,
   
  Went to vets yesterday, she took x-rays - slight bladdersludge again, no kidney stones.Not really wanting food or drink - letting it run out of her mouth - very worried about her. The vet suggested that this morning I should bring her back if she was no better and let her go.
   
  Had been speaking to Vedra at CCT - hence meds change and was going to bring her down on Tues night. As it happens with the vet visit, I went down last night to Vedra. Early days as she had fluid on the lungs, but from Vedra's text message, this has reduced, so there is a chance, and she seemed calm down there. Looked at during the night as well rather than left alone if admitted to vets. 
   
  Will post again and let you know how she is getting on. Please think lots of positive vibes for her.
   
  Regards,
  Suzanne

 		
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